Why is everyone so mad at Oda for this chapter????
I loved it because he did exactly the opposite of what we expected, the fact that he’s still capable of surprising us after this long is proof of his talent as a writer (in my opinion).
Is it just the Frobin shippers that are mad? For people…
Are you blind? The problem is the way women have been portrayed in One Piece has been shit ever since Sanji was introduced and now Franky. He kissed a woman, who had never had a romantic kiss (not that it matters but it does add to her reaction), to SHUT HER UP. It’s innappropriate then he tells her to get out of his way like she’s a hunk of meat. AND THE WOMEN WORSHIP THEM FOR IT!
You can’t tell me if you were in that situation you would stand for it! This chapter made a lot of people uncomfortable.
I understand that the series in general has been sexist, hence why I said “I don’t want to make excuses by saying this is nothing new”.
Franky doesn’t treat Nami or Robin like that. He never treated his sisters like that. I believe he treated her badly because she is an enemy, and someone who he’s going to have to fight eventually. According to Oda, at least, he has no reason to respect her. And although he did suplex her, I’m not sure why he kissed her instead of kicking her ass right away. I think with all this he is imitating Senor in order to lower the enemy’s guard and give them the wrong idea about how he does things, it could give him an advantage down the road. Maybe it will be explained later, maybe not. I could be wrong.
I don’t really want to play this card but all the Marine soldiers worship Hancock knowing full well shes murdered many of their fellow officers. Sanji worships many of their previous female enemies (maybe not worship, but gave them respect to a certain degree). He worships Nami knowing how much she beats up him and everyone else aboard the Sunny. Its not a good thing that this happens but we have seen it before many times. It is a trope Oda uses, unfortunately.
I understand that people may take offence to the chapter, I just didn’t expect this general reaction from people.
I’m sorry for my tone in the previous post. I was extremely heated about this chapter. It’s just very uncomfortable, this chapter, and also kind of disappointing.
You’re right, Franky doesn’t normally act this way which is why I think that a lot of people were upset about it. It’s obvious that not only does Franky not respect her, which is fine as respect must be earned, but also that he does not take her seriously. And this woman is not to be taken seriously.
It’s another woman in One Piece that is introduced as seemingly someone powerful only to be taken out easily. A lot of women have found themselves under represented in One Piece and thats the real problem. This chapter just felt like salt in the wound.
Other than that, it was an okay chapter. I like the dynamic between Manshelly and Leo and I’m curious any ut their history. I liked the dwarves in general, though their gullibleness is getting a bit old. And i loved Barty being an adorable crybaby.
I just kinda wanna comment on this chapter and that part on this post since it’s related.
I really didn’t like that part either. In all honesty, it’s like having that friend where you’re generally cool with them… except that one point which you strongly disagree with and it really should be a breaking factor and it kinda should strongly deteriorate your respect for them.
Franky has never treated anyone like that, I agree. I absolutely love the fact that in general, Oda never uses romance in One Piece except for comedic purposes. Although I’m sure Sanji’s always been the iffy card, to me, it was fine because he’s basically the only iffy card (and it’s not a misrepresentation of stereotypes, although it’s not a stereotype you don’t want to push). And even though Sanji objectifies women through their looks, it’s not a lie that females do it in real life too (though there’s no characters in OP for it), and he at least treats them respectfully, above him, and other characters properly interact with females normally, and there are a lot of strong female characters.
But because Franky never treated his sisters like that, any female like that, I dislike that he did that now. It’s hard for me to treat it as “she’s an enemy, so he gives no shits about her” and let it go, because simply the fact that he tried that move means he knew she had low self-esteem and it’d work to shut her up, even though he know nothing really about her. Which means that the only difference between how he treated her and the girls he respect is that he would never “shut up” the girls he respects—but it’s not to say that he doesn’t think it wouldn’t work.
I feel like Oda wanted to use the “man’s man” stereotype where a guy cares more about a fight than romance (he loves things like a man’s pride and whatnot, such as with Elbaf battles), and of the strawhats, Franky is most suitable (especially since he’s “American” and kinda similar to the “Fonzi” or whatnot archetype). I don’t mind it—though I of course think it’s stupid as a female, and think that this shit isn’t limited to men when Nami and Robin could get any guy and instead follow their own non-romantic dreams and are both strong, independent women—but I mind the way that Oda went about degrading Franky’s character for it. I feel like Franky isn’t the character that I would’ve wanted to pull that off because although Franky is badass and doesn’t care about romance (none of them do; I really saw no point in Oda reiterating it, actually. Actually saying it upfront sorta detracted from that awesome dynamic to me), he doesn’t need to put down romance. And females in general (and the assumption that all females like romance when Nami and Robin are on his damn crew, wtf?!). That’s what bothered me.
I don’t actually care about the girls worshiping something stupid like that (because the guys all worship Hancock in a parallel manner). I don’t really care about the fact that a female character went from seemingly strong to pathetic because I didn’t really take it as an insult to womankind just because she happens to be female (up until that Franky incident though). I don’t as much care about the underrepresentation of females in OP (I actually care more about the fact that Oda keeps reusing the same pink hair, red lips thing on the females he does add… but I suppose he should add more minion females. His females are usually pretty strong and higher up. His minion marines and pirates are all men… but I do understand that without a devil’s fruit or fishmen karate or haki, it’s incredibly, incredibly likely that women would be dead or drop out of piracy/marines. But… I do want more females with Devil’s fruit powers… I do suppose that’s not necessarily a… realistic request if thinking about the lower survival rates without a special talent since Devil fruits are difficult to find in the first place and it takes several years to find just one… But yeah. Although compared to the overall male characters, females are underrepresented, in terms of females that I care about and are important to the storyline, I actually think it’s pretty good). But just this one thing with Franky… it’s harder to make excuses for when his reasons for acting were a generalization of women.